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Screemin Eagle
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| Kwik GSeX wrote: | | 4kinboost wrote: | | Kwik GSeX wrote: | | 4kinboost wrote: | | Since I've been playing with dsm's since 1996, I can clearly see that the evo is now america's best bang for the buck. |
No its not. The Mustang still reigns supreme in that category. Tho the EVO is a close second. |
Feel free to buy a mustang from 2003-2006. Invest $1,000 into it and run it at the track. Let us know what your total out of pocket expense was.
Let me know if you come close to what evo's can do with the same $ invested.
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Sure. You do realize a Terminator fits into that category right? And as I recall the stock Evo clutches can't hold dick for power so right away tack another $1k for a twin disc. $2k in a Terminator puts you well past what an EVO is capable of. |
you do realize a stock mustang clutch cant hold dick either once you put on some good tires right?and stock for stock invest 1k into each bone stock car and you are better off with an evo. im not saying a mustang isnt far behind but your forgetting things about the mustang that are needed such as good rear tires to get down wich will be 300-600 alone. also you start making a little bit of power and the stock rear is gonna break. so unless your buying a mustang with all the basic upgrades evo owns a mustang trust me been there done that ive had a few mustangs.
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| Screemin Eagle wrote: |
you do realize a stock mustang clutch cant hold dick either once you put on some good tires right?and stock for stock invest 1k into each bone stock car and you are better off with an evo. im not saying a mustang isnt far behind but your forgetting things about the mustang that are needed such as good rear tires to get down wich will be 300-600 alone. also you start making a little bit of power and the stock rear is gonna break. so unless your buying a mustang with all the basic upgrades evo owns a mustang trust me been there done that ive had a few mustangs. |
Stock Terminator clutches have been holding 600 rear wheel for quite a while. They don't last 100k, but they do hold.
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Kwik GSeX
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| KingGalantVr4 wrote: | | Screemin Eagle wrote: |
you do realize a stock mustang clutch cant hold dick either once you put on some good tires right?and stock for stock invest 1k into each bone stock car and you are better off with an evo. im not saying a mustang isnt far behind but your forgetting things about the mustang that are needed such as good rear tires to get down wich will be 300-600 alone. also you start making a little bit of power and the stock rear is gonna break. so unless your buying a mustang with all the basic upgrades evo owns a mustang trust me been there done that ive had a few mustangs. |
Stock Terminator clutches have been holding 600 rear wheel for quite a while. They don't last 100k, but they do hold. |
Damn.. You beat me to it.. LoL
Oh and I included a set of DR's in that $2k estimate.. And its not the rears that break.. Its the halfshafts.. Same problem the evo's will have if you leave too hard.. Well.. That and their $2000 transfer case..
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| 4kinboost wrote: | | blazindominican wrote: | | yea i figured id find him here. hey erkel you just tuned my boy caesars evo. the blue one he bought from toplevel |
Sup!
You could have just gotten my number from Ceasar. I wasn't sure who told ya about me since I tuned a few cars from that area.
Feel free to give me a call. |
iite no doubt how much u think he throwing to the wheels i think he was exaggerating when i drove his car i hit 140 in about 3 blocks the weekend before you tuned it |
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If half the evo owners out there didnt play follow the leader, they would know that 90% of the time them twin disk are not needed.
I have seen these idiots make that their first mod on a stock car.... They put 15k miles on it and bitch and moan when they have to pay to remove and rebuild it.
Also the stock clutchs are just fine. I know someone that is around 400hp on a bone stock clutch. He also cuts some pretty good damn 60 fts with it. Majority of the people burning them up, can't drive.
Just my opinion though...
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| blazindominican wrote: | | 4kinboost wrote: | | blazindominican wrote: | | yea i figured id find him here. hey erkel you just tuned my boy caesars evo. the blue one he bought from toplevel |
Sup!
You could have just gotten my number from Ceasar. I wasn't sure who told ya about me since I tuned a few cars from that area.
Feel free to give me a call. |
iite no doubt how much u think he throwing to the wheels i think he was exaggerating when i drove his car i hit 140 in about 3 blocks the weekend before you tuned it |
I seriously hope you was not driving 140mph on city streets...
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My evo went 12.2 and trapped 114 on it's 3rd pass with prob under 2k of work, with a 1.6 60ft, and the boost wasn' all the way up. I sold the car before I ever got to go back to the track but it def had a faster et in it. That is def respectable for a 4cy and forget the mustang. You guys forget one thing. The Mustang is made in the good ol' USA, so it's basically junk. At least my Evo was cool  |
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Actually I stand corrected.. For roughly $1200 in mods (including the Drag Radials) the Cobras will touch the 11's.. Now if you wanna really get serious..
This is a Local vert Cobra with just a whipple upgrade and DR's.. Full interior, Ac blah blah blah.. Drove it to the track, raced it and drove back all on pump gas (And not E85.. I mean 93 Sunoco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlHq4pnjzf8
Show me a pump gas 10 second EVO and ill show you $10k in mods.. This was done for under $6k..
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Kwik GSeX
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| TalonTid wrote: | | My evo went 12.2 and trapped 114 on it's 3rd pass with prob under 2k of work, with a 1.6 60ft, and the boost wasn' all the way up. I sold the car before I ever got to go back to the track but it def had a faster et in it. That is def respectable for a 4cy and forget the mustang. You guys forget one thing. The Mustang is made in the good ol' USA, so it's basically junk. At least my Evo was cool |
Wow dude.. Got something against the USA? Considering DSM's were built in the USA then we can call them junk too.. You obviously have not been paying attention to what Ford has been putting out lately.. That 03 and up Cobra motor has been known to go 700rwhp on a stock short block.. Lets see an EVO do that at 500 awhp..
Alot of you guys are domestic haters yet you need to realize that in a straight line pound for pound a Mustang or a Vette will walk all over an Evo and a Scooby.. Around the bendy bends is another story..
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TurboMike
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There was a track test in one of the big cars mags and had a Vette and an Evo. I cant remember who had better times.
Vettes handle very well. I dunno which I'd choose for a track race.
Mustangs, not so much. |
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Remy
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| Kwik GSeX wrote: | Actually I stand corrected.. For roughly $1200 in mods (including the Drag Radials) the Cobras will touch the 11's.. Now if you wanna really get serious..
This is a Local vert Cobra with just a whipple upgrade and DR's.. Full interior, Ac blah blah blah.. Drove it to the track, raced it and drove back all on pump gas (And not E85.. I mean 93 Sunoco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlHq4pnjzf8
Show me a pump gas 10 second EVO and ill show you $10k in mods.. This was done for under $6k.. |
35r turbo kit - 3500
exhaust - 600
injectors- 300
wally 255- 100
clutch 600
fmic kit 800
ecu flash tune- 200
drag radials 600
Total 6,700
10s all day on a full weight pump gas evo give or take a 100 or 2.
The truth is , it doesnt take much to make an evo fast. The issues you hear about this and that breaking is certainly the minority. If you have people that cant drive and dont know how to launch a awd car, expect broken parts. Same thing as it would be for any car. No car is immune to horrible drivers. But stock block, stock tranny, stock transfer case evos go 10s all the time.
Also 500+hp stock block evos are more common than 10sec pump gas evos. They are every where. Shit I know 3 locals that are there right now.
I can not comment on any of the American cars since I have no first hand experiance with them but the 03 Cobra is fuckin bad ass. Would love to own one.
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| Remy wrote: | | Kwik GSeX wrote: | Actually I stand corrected.. For roughly $1200 in mods (including the Drag Radials) the Cobras will touch the 11's.. Now if you wanna really get serious..
This is a Local vert Cobra with just a whipple upgrade and DR's.. Full interior, Ac blah blah blah.. Drove it to the track, raced it and drove back all on pump gas (And not E85.. I mean 93 Sunoco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlHq4pnjzf8
Show me a pump gas 10 second EVO and ill show you $10k in mods.. This was done for under $6k.. |
35r turbo kit - 3500
exhaust - 600
injectors- 300
wally 255- 100
clutch 600
fmic kit 800
ecu flash tune- 200
drag radials 600
Total 6,700
10s all day on a full weight pump gas evo give or take a 100 or 2.
The truth is , it doesnt take much to make an evo fast. The issues you hear about this and that breaking is certainly the minority. If you have people that cant drive and dont know how to launch a awd car, expect broken parts. Same thing as it would be for any car. No car is immune to horrible drivers. But stock block, stock tranny, stock transfer case evos go 10s all the time. |
Even less if your buy some of the parts used or even get better deals. |
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| Kwik GSeX wrote: | | TalonTid wrote: | | My evo went 12.2 and trapped 114 on it's 3rd pass with prob under 2k of work, with a 1.6 60ft, and the boost wasn' all the way up. I sold the car before I ever got to go back to the track but it def had a faster et in it. That is def respectable for a 4cy and forget the mustang. You guys forget one thing. The Mustang is made in the good ol' USA, so it's basically junk. At least my Evo was cool |
Wow dude.. Got something against the USA? Considering DSM's were built in the USA then we can call them junk too.. You obviously have not been paying attention to what Ford has been putting out lately.. That 03 and up Cobra motor has been known to go 700rwhp on a stock short block.. Lets see an EVO do that at 500 awhp..
Alot of you guys are domestic haters yet you need to realize that in a straight line pound for pound a Mustang or a Vette will walk all over an Evo and a Scooby.. Around the bendy bends is another story.. |
Nothing against the USA, I am very proud of where I'm from, it's just unfortunate that we can't build a car for shit> And yes I have seen what they are building lately, I work around cars every day, and have owned my fair share. I also know a couple of evos on stock motors makin in the mid 500whp stock bottom end. Putting a whipple on a cobra to go 11s is a big bolt on> I coulda been there with just a K & N, boost controller, exhaust, and flash> those are real bolt ons> |
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| blazindominican wrote: | | 4kinboost wrote: | | blazindominican wrote: | | yea i figured id find him here. hey erkel you just tuned my boy caesars evo. the blue one he bought from toplevel |
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You could have just gotten my number from Ceasar. I wasn't sure who told ya about me since I tuned a few cars from that area.
Feel free to give me a call. |
iite no doubt how much u think he throwing to the wheels i think he was exaggerating when i drove his car i hit 140 in about 3 blocks the weekend before you tuned it |
LOL.. I put a pretty reasonable tune in the car befor I sold it-- just for safety measures.
You should drive it now! |
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| Kwik GSeX wrote: | | TalonTid wrote: | | My evo went 12.2 and trapped 114 on it's 3rd pass with prob under 2k of work, with a 1.6 60ft, and the boost wasn' all the way up. I sold the car before I ever got to go back to the track but it def had a faster et in it. That is def respectable for a 4cy and forget the mustang. You guys forget one thing. The Mustang is made in the good ol' USA, so it's basically junk. At least my Evo was cool |
Wow dude.. Got something against the USA? Considering DSM's were built in the USA then we can call them junk too.. You obviously have not been paying attention to what Ford has been putting out lately.. That 03 and up Cobra motor has been known to go 700rwhp on a stock short block.. Lets see an EVO do that at 500 awhp..
Alot of you guys are domestic haters yet you need to realize that in a straight line pound for pound a Mustang or a Vette will walk all over an Evo and a Scooby.. Around the bendy bends is another story.. |
It also has twice the cubes, weighs 4-500lbs more, and is rear-wheel drive.
God bless you for being a mustang fan on a dsm website... Tell ya what, why don't you get a couple of your mustang buddies with street cars on a radial to come on down and put your theories to the test.
I'm sure that some of my stock turbo clients wouldn't mind handing out a few awd lessons to them. We can save my t3 guys for your kenny bell cobras.
Let me know when you can get a few guys together-- maybe 5? We can do it for fun or all put in on a pot. Enough chatting--more racing. |
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^^ Ow snap! Let's get ready to rumble! 4G63 FTW!!
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To add salt
i've tuned quite a few 03 cobra's and the factory motor will easily handle 800+hp..
Ford GT's (GT40) motors will easily handle over 1000+ with factory internals..
Z06 vettes will go in the 10's with a tune an airbox..
Just remember when you compare against something you usually always compare with something better then what you have and try to find way's in which you think what you have is better...
In this case the claim is the EVO can go faster with less money spent...
That's not the case..
And then to try and say the EVO is less likely to break is dead wrong too...
I like both EVO's and Mustangs, and vettes so i'm not being biased but i'd have to say bang for buck would have to be a mustang..
Out of the box best performance would have to be the Z06. |
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| Luke_Crankwalker wrote: | | ^^ Ow snap! Let's get ready to rumble! 4G63 FTW!! |
 my shop is full of mustangs right now.... |
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| EnzoRacing wrote: | | my shop is full of mustangs right now.... |
The black one is the slowest in there and the headlights and tail lights are not dark enough 
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| EnzoRacing wrote: | To add salt
i've tuned quite a few 03 cobra's and the factory motor will easily handle 800+hp..
Ford GT's (GT40) motors will easily handle over 1000+ with factory internals..
Z06 vettes will go in the 10's with a tune an airbox..
Just remember when you compare against something you usually always compare with something better then what you have and try to find way's in which you think what you have is better...
In this case the claim is the EVO can go faster with less money spent...
That's not the case..
And then to try and say the EVO is less likely to break is dead wrong too...
I like both EVO's and Mustangs, and vettes so i'm not being biased but i'd have to say bang for buck would have to be a mustang..
Out of the box best performance would have to be the Z06. |
Since this is a friendly discussion, I'll match your salt with some pepper.
We all already know what an evo would do to a mustang on a road coarse-- so I'll just brush that aside for now.
I don't think you are trying to imply that $1,000 bucks in parts with a tune is going to get you 800hp right? Since this a bang for the buck discussion, how much did it take to build that 800hp mustang? Please include fuel system, turbo-kit, intake/exhaust mods to give us an idea. With that said, please include suspension mods to get that irs to handle 800 to the ground in a straight line ok!
The z06's that you are refferring to are c6's-- way out of the price range unless you want to line it up with a buschur built evo.
I said 'bang for the buck' and I mean it.
awd- still goes out for groceries in the snow
4 doors- allows us married men to still be able to swing babyseats in and out.
2.0 liters- means the fuel economy is still there in this recession
factory turbo- means the factory bottom can hold 550-600awhp straight from mitsu
direct control of the factory ecu
The list goes on and on for discussion, but I'm not here ot say you are wrong about the great american ponycar-- All I'm saying is bring them to the line. |
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I said 'bang for the buck' and I mean it.
awd- still goes out for groceries in the snow
Your talking about a sports car correct? Sport cars don't do groceries...
4 doors- allows us married men to still be able to swing babyseats in and out.
Again "Sport Car"
2.0 liters- means the fuel economy is still there in this recession
you want economy buy a honda...
factory turbo- means the factory bottom can hold 550-600awhp straight from mitsu
yeah so?
direct control of the factory ecu
same here what's your point?
The list goes on and on for discussion, but I'm not here ot say you are wrong about the
great american ponycar-- All I'm saying is bring them to the line.
I don't own either car so i can't bring either to the line. |
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| 4kinboost wrote: | I don't think you are trying to imply that $1,000 bucks in parts with a tune is going to get you 800hp right? Since this a bang for the buck discussion, how much did it take to build that 800hp mustang? Please include fuel system, turbo-kit, intake/exhaust mods to give us an idea. With that said, please include suspension mods to get that irs to handle 800 to the ground in a straight line ok!
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I never said that so don't assume...
However for less then $1000 u could tune it, put a pulley on it, and exhaust and make 600hp. u could trade your IRS for a solid axle or sell it and buy an 8.8 solid for almost nothing and use the leftover money for more parts..
Let's see you make that kind of power with an evo with the same amount invested... |
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| EnzoRacing wrote: | | 4kinboost wrote: | I don't think you are trying to imply that $1,000 bucks in parts with a tune is going to get you 800hp right? Since this a bang for the buck discussion, how much did it take to build that 800hp mustang? Please include fuel system, turbo-kit, intake/exhaust mods to give us an idea. With that said, please include suspension mods to get that irs to handle 800 to the ground in a straight line ok!
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I never said that so don't assume...
However for less then $1000 u could tune it, put a pulley on it, and exhaust and make 600hp. u could trade your IRS for a solid axle or sell it and buy an 8.8 solid for almost nothing and use the leftover money for more parts..
Let's see you make that kind of power with an evo with the same amount invested... |
Last time I checked, this wasn't a dyno challenge. So with your 600hp mustang, you now have a 3700lbs+ car that smokes the tires, goes nowhere near turns, and only does roll racing.
Sorry if I care about turning, fuel economy, ergonomics, power-to-weight ratio and comfort..... I guess 'bang for the buck' doesn't mean the same to you. |
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| EnzoRacing wrote: | I said 'bang for the buck' and I mean it.
awd- still goes out for groceries in the snow
Your talking about a sports car correct? Sport cars don't do groceries...
4 doors- allows us married men to still be able to swing babyseats in and out.
Again "Sport Car"
2.0 liters- means the fuel economy is still there in this recession
you want economy buy a honda...
factory turbo- means the factory bottom can hold 550-600awhp straight from mitsu
yeah so?
direct control of the factory ecu
same here what's your point?
The list goes on and on for discussion, but I'm not here ot say you are wrong about the
great american ponycar-- All I'm saying is bring them to the line.
I don't own either car so i can't bring either to the line. |
Isn't it a shame that your "sports car" can't do all of the same things? |
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